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Posted on Wed, Nov 23, 2005 15:07

This is a question of some heated arguments I've had with some Christain friends of mine.

If God is omnipotent, would he/she be able to create a rock so large that even he/she could not lift it? If so, wouldn't that make him/her no longer all powerfull?



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Posted on Thu, Jan 05, 2006 10:03

I think Joe's made the best point yet.



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Posted on Wed, Jan 04, 2006 10:29

Power, strenght, force are human constructs. Your thinking logically. But thats the way humans via science and maths are learnt to think. The human mind id limited and weak. Your limiting god to human norms and values, your point of view is boxed.



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Posted on Tue, Jan 03, 2006 13:42

Arunima write:
This is quite simply an oxymoron, and you can argue either side until one or the other cries and shoots themselves. Which would be entertaining, but not a solution, really, unless the original problem was just to kill time til something else happened, in which case you got your answer.
Uhm...
So see, if God made a rock he couldn't lift, he wouldn't be omnipotent would he?
And if he couldn't make a rock he couldn't lift, he's still not omnipotent isn't he?
Easy answer; God's not omnipotent. There ya go.

Isn't it strange that there is a whiskey entitled 'Early Times'? It is like the forgotten backwater 3rd half-cousin of Jack.
Hehehe.


I fail to see your "paradox."

If one is all powerful, they can in theory and practice, do anything (imagineable or not, and logical or not)...can they not?

So if you were God, and all powerful, could you not create rock that you could not fit into?

This is an interesting topic, but I seriously think it demands the attention of those who actively read:

--Stephen Hawking

--Carl Sagan

--Hubert Reeves

and their peers...

I seriously doubt that "we" could proceed much further, objectively, without first having read through any of thier books, or those of thier peers.

Religion aside, in my mind, if one is all powerful, nothing is beyond reach. If we cannot agree on that premise...then I guess anything further is just pleasure reading.

  


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Posted on Sat, Dec 31, 2005 10:32

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God made man in his likeness. Don't get me wrong, I think the bible is a load of horseshit, but if your gonna discuss the existance of a christian god, you gotta play by the rules, and god would be a man.
Wang and all. P.enis envy woman, deal with it.


Whoa, hey there, Eddie baby. Were you calling *me* that? If you're going by the bible, I agree with you. I was simply saying that may not be the truth. What a concept, huh? I guess even mentioning that God may not have a p.enis makes me, because I'm a woman, have p.enis envy.
Dork.



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Posted on Wed, Dec 28, 2005 06:02

dont know if its been mentioned but,
if you believe god is imnipotent then god must also be omniscient based on the same set of beliefs therefore 'god' would never create something of such proportion that not even they could control because they would know it could not be controlled. r u following?



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Posted on Tue, Dec 27, 2005 18:18

God made man in his likeness. Don't get me wrong, I think the bible is a load of horseshit, but if your gonna discuss the existance of a christian god, you gotta play by the rules, and god would be a man.
Wang and all. P.enis envy woman, deal with it.



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Posted on Sun, Dec 25, 2005 17:26

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If God is omnipotent, would he/she be able to create a rock so large that even he/she could not lift it? If so, wouldn't that make him/her no longer all powerfull?


Hah, I just noticed that he/she thing. Nice. An admission of one of the unknowables - is God man or woman? - and an omission of maybe God doesn't have genitalia. That would be interesting. Can you imagine God and some chick? Or dude, if it's a woman or gay?
From there, anything I can think of would be either much too crude or dissapointingly chaste, so I'll let you fill in the blanks, lmao



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Posted on Sun, Dec 25, 2005 17:17

This is quite simply an oxymoron, and you can argue either side until one or the other cries and shoots themselves. Which would be entertaining, but not a solution, really, unless the original problem was just to kill time til something else happened, in which case you got your answer.
Uhm...
So see, if God made a rock he couldn't lift, he wouldn't be omnipotent would he?
And if he couldn't make a rock he couldn't lift, he's still not omnipotent isn't he?
Easy answer; God's not omnipotent. There ya go.

Isn't it strange that there is a whiskey entitled 'Early Times'? It is like the forgotten backwater 3rd half-cousin of Jack.
Hehehe.



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Posted on Sun, Dec 25, 2005 04:01

MasterXbasser069 write:
This is a question of some heated arguments I've had with some Christain friends of mine.

If God is omnipotent, would he/she be able to create a rock so large that even he/she could not lift it? If so, wouldn't that make him/her no longer all powerfull?


That would take quite some reflection, but I think there are 2 possible answers.

1--Yes

2--but if one is all powerful, then it can be undone with words or a thought, or gesture can it not?



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Posted on Sun, Dec 18, 2005 01:53

Thats what god created Dynamite for. Duh! ~chuckles~



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Posted on Sat, Dec 17, 2005 08:26

Perhaps "God" is an impotent omnipotent?

:)



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Posted on Fri, Dec 02, 2005 15:32

could god himself heat a burrito so hot that not even he could eat it?

These questions about being omnipotent always end up asking the omnipotent to supersede their own power... my answer would be that the omnipotent can create multiple dimensions to fulfill each portion of the criteria



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Posted on Tue, Nov 29, 2005 17:11

What happens when an unstoppable force hits an unmovable object?
Nothing!
An unstoppable force (gravity) hits a large rock (a mountain) all the time, and nothing happens.
If these Xians are wondering about things like whether their God could, on a whim, toss the earth out of orbit into the Oort cloud, or turn it into a strawberry pop tart, they have reduced metaphysics to kindergarten recess hour, and need to get out of that box for some new experiences.
Omnipotence = all power doesn't it? That means all energy in motion, not an ability to violate the laws of motion in some arbitrary way.



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Posted on Mon, Nov 28, 2005 13:00

He could probably run off one wicked forgery!



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Posted on Sat, Nov 26, 2005 04:57

MasterXbasser069 write:
This is a question of some heated arguments I've had with some Christain friends of mine.

If God is omnipotent, would he/she be able to create a rock so large that even he/she could not lift it? If so, wouldn't that make him/her no longer all powerfull?


I think you can lay this at the feet on any omnipotent being... including the Judaist God and Islamic God.

How's about - if only the US Mint are the only organisation that can release a dollar bill, then can an omnipotent being produce a dollar bill?



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