i don't exactly agree with it i think adoption would be better and for those of you who say "well i could never do that" thats just too damn bad it isn't about you anymore thats what i don't think people realize when they have kids that you have to be willing to bend over backwards for them i love my boys and come hell or high water they'll be happy and have what they need
Gaidheal write: Sil: "abortion on demand" is the only realistic option for a host of reasons, the most obvious of which is that any criteria ultimately amount to subjective judgements and there will always be at least one doctor prepared to judge in such a way that it is always accepted. So, all such criteria do is create unequal access to abortion, which is not a good idea and seems totally contrary to your previous argument. Think about it.
i should clarify what i mean by abortion on demand Gaidheal. by this i mean abortion as a means of contraception. ive heard of patients who are married and able to support a child and dont use contraception on a regular basis. whenever they have an unwanted pregnancy they simply get rid of it by aborting it.there are many women out there who have serial abortions for this reason and they dont really have a valid reason for doing so. when i was a student in theatres we had one such woman who was on her 8th abortion in 4 years. she still didnt use contraception and on that occassion even lied about the date of conception and the feotus was much bigger than she led the surgeon to believe. thats what i mean by abortion on demand and many refrences to it in essays by moral philosophers such as pete singer etc have been made.
i should have defined what i meant more clearly.
im not pro-life or choice.i've never been in a situation to know or understand how it feels but i could never go through with an abortion for the simple fact that this baby is mine, i made it, me and this man together, ours, this is part of me. i couldnt just dispose of something so precious. my mom is hardcore pro-life,too, though and if i've ever had a kid i couldnt care for she'd want it. she'd also want it legally to be hers, my moms a little psycho, bless her.she means well.im not all against pro-choice or anything, i just would keep the baby if i ever got pregnant, under almost any circumstance, ALMOST any circumstance.
Sil: "abortion on demand" is the only realistic option for a host of reasons, the most obvious of which is that any criteria ultimately amount to subjective judgements and there will always be at least one doctor prepared to judge in such a way that it is always accepted. So, all such criteria do is create unequal access to abortion, which is not a good idea and seems totally contrary to your previous argument. Think about it.
thank you luciferum. ive read your comment too and i agree with what you have to say also.
id also like to add though that you have to take each individual case on its own merit. i do not agree with abortion on demand. there has to be a valid reason for it.
as for you posuerhater abortion is legal in australia and you dont have the monopoly on "the australian opinion"
i live around the corner from one of those clinics. every weekend those anti abortionists are out in full force making a lot of noise, praying and singing hymns etc.they block the road sometimes and they have big blown up images of various nasty abortion photos showing dead feotuses and all kinds of gore. they are a menace to those living in the area and their photos upset me as they are not truelly representative of what happens in the clinic, eg they have one picture of hundreds of dead feotuses in buckets which was taken in a pathology lab where some of those babies would have died of natural causes.
the question of abortion is a moral one which many people agree and disagree with to varying degrees.when, from the point of conception does the feotus turn into a viable life form? when it is a ball of cells that couldnt survive outside the uterus or when it reaches 20 weeks where if its born it might have a chance to survive?
when abortion is banned in a country, illegal abortions happen or the women just go to another country where its legal. its going to happen any which way, wouldnt you rather have the government have some jurisdiction over it?
i once had a patient who was 13 who was physically and mentally disabled to the point where she was deaf blind and couldnt speak and had multiple health problems.she was raped by a p**dophille in a kids home. she got pregnant. would you seriously as a pro lifer advocate that that poor girl carried on her pregnancy to full term?
i say keep it legal and regulated by the government and let women choose whether they want to do it or not as its such a personal thing.most women dont make the decision to have one lightly and often the guy doesnt hang around to help her make that decision.
I believe no woman makes an abortion lightly...abandoned newborns are often found in the garbage, most of the time dead...if the law doesnt change these women will keep abandoning and murdering their children...the only difference is that instead they do it up to the 10 weeks pregnancy, they will do it after the 9 months when a full human being is already formed...the law must change in Portugal, we need to be Pro-Choice once and for all.
But to be honest, I dont think the "yes" will win...I dont know, ppl are too scared of changes.
In my country the abortion is not legal - only in cases of rape, disease, malfuntion and danger to the mom - it is the only country in Europe along with Ireland and Poland that is Anti-Abortin. On the 11th of this month we are going to have a referendum on abortion, ppl will vote "yes" or "no", to try to change the stupid law I will vote "Yes". Women need to have better conditions and have to stop being arrested for practicing illegal abortion - jail time up to 3 years -there are women dieing because of illegal abortions with no conditions...we need to change that, the law must change...abortion must be legal. In 1998 we had our first referendum but the "No" won so now I really hope the law changes, for the good of women and their dignaty.
The very terms are bullshit, as used by the yanks. Okay, so that almost goes without saying, it being yanks.. but anyway:
It's not about choice, per se and it is not about life at all. It is about responsibility for your own actions, which includes making decisions like "No, I don't want a child right now, with this man".
This entire area is one where the state has absolutely no business being involved beyond protecting the welfare of its citizens (e.g. making sure doctors are properly qualified, making sure food targetted at children is actually good for them, etc). It is certainly none of the state's business whether someone chooses to artificially miscarry (that's what it amounts to, let's avoid cozy euphemisms all round, shall we?) pretty much regardless of their reasoning.
i'd like to pose a question to pro- lifers:
If my mom and dad made a little FM17 zygote in 1987 and i was born in 1988, with what year will my tombstone say my life began? and i'll give you a clue, i'm not chinese.
A woman has the right to do with her body as she wishes. Just because she gets pregnant, it doesn't mean someone else should be able to tell her what do with her body or her growing baby. Only women bring children into the world. They should have the final say in this matter.