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Posted on Thu, Sep 20, 2007 11:15

Liane1 write:
To Veratia:
Sorry, but I can't see how what you're saying isn't racist...
And will you pathetic "people" living in the CIA den bellow my apt "Game" "illuminati", stop using that trick, where, just by saying something with enough assertiveness, you think the whole world will believe you...
And It does not change the essence of all the rest that you're saying...

I'll quote this again: "you can fool some people, but you can't fool all the people the time" - Bob Marley

And you are most certainly not fooling me: YOU RACIST FREAK RETARD. Oh, and by the way, tell me when you've learned to count... You "superior" white filthy Scum...

SHAME ON YOU... I'D YOU GO DIG MYSELF A HOLE IF I WERE YOU...

PS: you better not dare erase your comment, because I've saved it and sent to myself. So I'll re-post it if you dare do that.
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Your post certainly amuses me, to say the least. Once again,you prove here your massive ignorancy and your unbalanced reasoning.Why, before your lack of discernment, should I erase my well formed and realistic opinion about such real problem just because you think I should not think the way I do?!...Im not ashamed of what Ive said therefore I would never erase it.
Being against multiculturalism is not the same as being a racist- and you would know that if you werent so blind by your pre-conceived false moralism prejudice which,by the way, make me sick to my stomach...putrid inverted morals that have no reason whatsoever to be of such fury - so, if you think properly you see that my comment was not racist - although that even if I was one you had nothing to do with it, I didnt offend anyone...you on the contrary.... - I speak loudly the reality I live in and in my country, as well as in many European countries,several ethnies take large advantage of many things that were not ment to be for them, in the first place...this is creating a major problem to all the rightful citizens..



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Posted on Mon, Sep 17, 2007 16:08

To Veratia:

In reply to your last comment, of which follows an extract: "[...]this pregnancy aid although useful to increase birth it has 2 sides of the same coin,a good one and a bad one,the good one is that may increase births and the bad one is that, the government aim is to increase births amongs indo-europeans but it will also and specially increase births among other races and ethnies like gipsys, africans,muslims, etc...[...]"

And you dare say:"[...]and you all will excuse me for what Im about to say, it is not racism - as Ive been accuse before - nor free discrimination,it is the truth about what's going on in Europe and the worlds today[...]"

Sorry, but I can't see how what you're saying isn't racist...

And will you pathetic "people" living in the CIA den bellow my apt "Game" "illuminati", stop using that trick, where, just by saying something with enough assertiveness, you think the whole world will believe you...

And It does not change the essence of all the rest that you're saying... It's just Like Mohawks73's comment on my blog about Flattery... Fluffing lots of Flattery around one massive insult, it doesn't change what he was really doing: insulting me!

I'll quote this again: "you can fool some people, but you can't fool all the people the time" - Bob Marley

And you are most certainly not fooling me: YOU RACIST FREAK RETARD. Oh, and by the way, tell me when you've learned to count... You "superior" white filthy Scum...

SHAME ON YOU... I'D YOU GO DIG MYSELF A HOLE IF I WERE YOU...

PS: you better not dare erase your comment, because I've saved it and sent to myself. So I'll re-post it if you dare do that.



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Posted on Mon, Sep 17, 2007 15:44

VNVIndustriallove19 write:


Liane1 write:

To VNVIndustriallove19:

Given your age... I can't help at wonder[...]



they most definately are provided with everything they need and then some right now im a piercer and because of my certifications (some weren't required for the piercing but looks better to have) i could work at as a nurse if things didn't work out with piercing. i also have 2 years experience being a restuarant manager and being serve safe certified. I wasn't the manager of the whole restuarant but i was a manager. i've done this all without their father so its not like im depending on child support so i guess you could say i have my ass covered



Happy to hear that apparently, you do have at least a steady income. I just hope the revenues from being piercer are higher then minimum wage, because in my opinion, that's still not enough to provide a child with everything he/she needs.

Otherwise I'm rather surprised at the amount of qualifications you have at only 19! Amazing or suspicious...?


VNVIndustriallove19 write:

a fetal moniter moniters all movement so maybe something more specific for ya have you ever watched someone get an ultrasound cuz you sure as hell can see it then its not really suspicious or amazing i dropped out of high school at 16 and had my ged the next week i went to school during the day and was a closing manager at night. So its not really amazing or suspicious i guess i just don't need as much time as most because i don't fuck around.


Sorry, But Voodoo, is not that simple. U can see observe it's manifestations with machinery, but U can't prove it with machinery.

As for your career advancements... Sorry but still find them suspicious. Whether U know it or not, U're probably part of a Masonry family...

U say you don't fuck around! But then, why did U drop out of high school, etc...?



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Posted on Mon, Sep 17, 2007 15:43

VNVIndustriallove19 write:


Liane1 write:

To VNVIndustriallove19:

Given your age... I can't help at wonder[...]



they most definately are provided with everything they need and then some right now im a piercer and because of my certifications (some weren't required for the piercing but looks better to have) i could work at as a nurse if things didn't work out with piercing. i also have 2 years experience being a restuarant manager and being serve safe certified. I wasn't the manager of the whole restuarant but i was a manager. i've done this all without their father so its not like im depending on child support so i guess you could say i have my ass covered



Happy to hear that apparently, you do have at least a steady income. I just hope the revenues from being piercer are higher then minimum wage, because in my opinion, that's still not enough to provide a child with everything he/she needs.

Otherwise I'm rather surprised at the amount of qualifications you have at only 19! Amazing or suspicious...?


VNVIndustriallove19 write:

judging by your other post you seem to think a baby is completely brain dead while in someones stomach. the kicking is just "voodoo magic"? Well then this "voodoo magic" is detectable on a fetal moniter. You couldn't possibly understand what its like until you go through it yourself

You wouldn't be able to see this sort of thing on a fetal monitor. Sorry not that simple.

But as said before. I even believe that in some cases, and not only cases of rape and incest, even if the pregnancy is past 3 months, I still think it's less cruel to terminate the pregnancy, than to let the child be brought into this world.



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Posted on Mon, Sep 17, 2007 15:43

To VNVIndustriallove19:

Given your age... I can't help at wonder... Are your children provided with everything they need, and if so, have you taken extra precautions to make sure this will always be the case? Also, how do you provide for them (crossing my fingers that your not part of an infamous sect I've heard so much about...)?



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Posted on Mon, Sep 17, 2007 15:30

VNVIndustriallove19 write:

cop-out also cop?out (kpout)
n. Slang
1. A failure to fulfill a commitment or responsibility or to face a difficulty squarely.
2. A person who fails to fulfill a commitment or responsibility.
3. An excuse for inaction or evasion.


I thing number 3 covers it right there basically a lame ass excuse


Sorry. But what I understood that you were trying to mean from the context of your comment, was more like some thing like "a bunch of bullshit", "a bunch of crap", but you know yourself more what you meant. So I guess I'm wrong then...

Otherwise, sorry but to me... number 3... doesn't mean what you say it does just after. ?!?



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Posted on Fri, Sep 14, 2007 08:27

I am EXTREMELY Pro-Abortion.

First of all, there is mention in the Bible that the soul enters the body with the baby's primal scream, its first cry, breath! And if you were to see things objectively, don't you think that the cruelty involved in bringing a child into a world where it's parents aren't financially and/or mentally able to give it a decent life, outweighs the brief swift (in my opinion not cruel) killing of a 3 month foetus (which technically isn't even a child yet). It enrages me to know how many humans have children irresponsibly. Too many don't realize that having children is expensive, as well as the more children you have, the less attention and/or money there is available to each of them.

I also hate the slogan "As long as there's Love all will be well". It's just entirely not true! Because, the Naive souls who believe in that stuff, also don't realize the costs of having a Child, and soon enough that Child represents the cause of their financial problems. As for the Love... Well Let's just hope it doesn't die off, or gets suffocated by the extra bills.

And yes, there is always adoption, but you must have heard about the psychological disturbances that adoptive children have. Always wondering why they were abandoned, why they were not wanted, who their real parents are...

Did you know that of the Western "Civilized" USA has the highest level of teen pregnancies? Comparable to developing countries!

Oh, and don't forget the problem of overpopulation that our planet faces. Also, each child that is brought into this world is one more polluter that's gonna smut up this our planet just a little bit more, especially if he lives in a Western "civilized" country.

So really, in the cases of unwanted pregnancies, please start to be reasonable. Don't you think, that the cruelty of bringing a child into our world actually outweighs the cruelty of swiftly killing a foetus.



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Posted on Fri, Sep 14, 2007 08:27

I would just like to add, that I HATE women who want to have kids just because "aaaawh how cute"... A Child is not a Toy. It is a real Thinking, Feeling Being... Stop having children because you feel like "Playing House"...! I also believe that a lot of women are only Good mothers while the Child is a Baby... As soon as it's not Cute anymore... (basically past being a toddler) Let's just watch some "Soap" or "Operah"... Afterall... It soooo much more important than my Child's well being... A child isn't like a plant, it needs more than just some water & light in other words, shelter & food...

If you really feel the NEEEED to be "Motherly"/"Fatherly" get a Job in a day Care Center...

As mentioned before I am EXTREMELY Pro-Abortion, however, why the fuck don't all girls take the pill ? There are more than just contraceptive advantages to it... I think women should even use it when they're single... That would even solve the the rape and incest foetus problem... And abortion would only be an issue in rare accidental cases.

So, I urge all women to all go on the pill rather than get abortions. Because abortions can be damaging to your womb, and can also have strong psychological set backs. Like always wondering, "what if I hadn't..."

SO, go on the pill and you'll never have to deal with the issue...



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Posted on Thu, Sep 13, 2007 18:07

Liane1 write:
VNVIndustriallove19 write:


Liane1 write:

To VNVIndustriallove19:

Given your age... I can't help at wonder[...]



they most definately are provided with everything they need and then some right now im a piercer and because of my certifications (some weren't required for the piercing but looks better to have) i could work at as a nurse if things didn't work out with piercing. i also have 2 years experience being a restuarant manager and being serve safe certified. I wasn't the manager of the whole restuarant but i was a manager. i've done this all without their father so its not like im depending on child support so i guess you could say i have my ass covered

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Happy to hear that apparently, you do have at least a steady income. I just hope the revenues from being piercer are higher then minimum wage, because in my opinion, that's still not enough to provide a child with everything he/she needs.

Otherwise I'm rather surprised at the amount of qualifications you have at only 19! Amazing or suspicious...?


a fetal moniter moniters all movement so maybe something more specific for ya have you ever watched someone get an ultrasound cuz you sure as hell can see it then its not really suspicious or amazing i dropped out of high school at 16 and had my ged the next week i went to school during the day and was a closing manager at night. So its not really amazing or suspicious i guess i just don't need as much time as most because i don't fuck around.



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Posted on Wed, Sep 12, 2007 02:19

Braindead? Nope. Human? Technically so but definitely not in the sense we tend to give that word, see next... Sentient? No. They spend the first few months, even the first few years, arguably, developing the a mind we would consider to be a sentient human being.

Killing anything out of hand is always questionable, all the more so if it appears to be from convenience as an alternative to a more onerous and responsible course of action, but let's not get carried away with the over-emotional tripe, eh? We have a well defined limit for the level of development at which it is permissible for medics to intervene and terminate. It's worth remembering that this limit is actually quite early, often a natural abortion (AKA miscarriage) will occur well after this point of pregnancy and it was the norm for infants to die in or shortly after childbirth until around the start of the last century.



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Posted on Tue, Sep 11, 2007 19:51

cop-out also cop?out (kpout)
n. Slang
1. A failure to fulfill a commitment or responsibility or to face a difficulty squarely.
2. A person who fails to fulfill a commitment or responsibility.
3. An excuse for inaction or evasion.


I thing number 3 covers it right there basically a lame ass excuse



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Posted on Tue, Sep 11, 2007 19:42

Liane1 write:
To VNVIndustriallove19:

Given your age... I can't help at wonder... Are your children provided with everything they need, and if so, have you taken extra precautions to make sure this will always be the case? Also, how do you provide for them (crossing my fingers that your not part of an infamous sect I've heard so much about...)?

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they most definately are provided with everything they need and then some right now im a piercer and because of my certifications (some weren't required for the piercing but looks better to have) i could work at as a nurse if things didn't work out with piercing. i also have 2 years experience being a restuarant manager and being serve safe certified. I wasn't the manager of the whole restuarant but i was a manager. i've done this all without their father so its not like im depending on child support so i guess you could say i have my ass covered


judging by your other post you seem to think a baby is completely brain dead while in someones stomach. the kicking is just "voodoo magic"? Well then this "voodoo magic" is detectable on a fetal moniter. You couldn't possibly understand what its like until you go through it yourself



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Posted on Tue, Sep 11, 2007 08:19

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Hey Liane!

Veratia - congrats on the long overdue change in law.

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Thanks...it was about time.



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Posted on Mon, Sep 10, 2007 07:46

VNVIndustriallove19 write:


Liane1 write:

I am EXTREMELY Pro-Abortion.

First of all, there is mention in the Bible that the soul enters the body with the baby's primal scream, its first cry, breath!

And yes, there is always adoption, but you must have heard about the psychological disturbances that adoptive children have. Always wondering why they were abandoned, why they were not wanted, who their real parents are [...]



well thats just one big fucking cop out that baby is in your stomach kicking, moving, breathing what you breathing and eating what you eat just because its not actually out and about doesn't make it souless

and as for adoption im sure itll damage them less when they compare it to their biological parents option of killing it off just because they screwed up


Abortion isn't legal past the 3rd month, before it's able to do that sort of kicking etc... So your argument about killing it because it does that, is then void. A personally, I know this may seem far fetched, I have doubts about how babies actually do this kicking before their born... It could be done with Voodoo/Magic Possession.

Anyway... My point in quoting the bible, is to nullify the argument made by Catholic Religious people, that claim, it to be a sin.

And sorry, I don't agree with you about it being more cruel then adoption, even in the case of them having a soul, and the kicking etc... And I would like to add that with the option of Serogate mothers these days, I see adoption as being obsolete...

PS: a "cop out" is "an instance of avoiding a commitment or responsibility" - Macintosh Dictionary



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Posted on Mon, Sep 10, 2007 06:21

...they say that for each woman that deicide to have a child, they give money since the 3rd month of preagnancy, and all the help pre, per and after..I agree but in one aspect...and you all will excuse me for what Im about to say, it is not racism - as Ive been accuse before - nor free discrimination,it is the truth about what's going on in Europe and the worlds today....this pregnancy aid although useful to increase birth it has 2 sides of the same coin,a good one and a bad one,the good one is that may increase births and the bad one is that, the government aim is to increase births amongs indo-europeans but it will also and specially increase births among other races and ethnies like gipsys, africans,muslims, etc...specially the immigrants because they are those who are always looking for a easy way of earning money....I am totally against multiculturalism and I think that each culture only has power if among its own culture at its own territory...each culture has his wonders, magic and strength and todays lack of identity is due to the wide spread of cultures that can only subside if in their own origin place...thats why we grow with no cultural backgrownd anymore, we answer before no ideals and we are a kind with no identity, we ve lost everything that made us whole, all that our ancestors have fought to give us as a reference. Here in Portugal and in the rest of Europe, gypsys and blacks(not like gipsys) dont work,they feed on the money the government give and with this new law they will have a new reason to have even more children, therefore their children will have no attention, wont go to school,will grow to be criminals, theyll have their children and the process will repeat itself...only for the sake of money, coz all these ppl think is money so they dont have to work, like parasites they will eventually destroy their host...us and our countries.This applies not only to gypsies and blacks, but to other non indo-european races. So this law is not all good.



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Posted on Mon, Sep 10, 2007 05:40

There are no souls. If you think otherwise, feel free to present some evidence.

They are terminated well before the "kicking, breathing, eating" stage, too. You may want to actually check the facts before trotting out emotional pseudo-religious nonsense.

As for enforced sterilization or removing access to abortion, it's not something I could ever condone. I appreciate the thinking but it's such an awful infringement on personal freedoms that I couldn't stomach it. Plenty of people make equally stupid and repetitive mistakes in other areas but we would never consider removing their access to remedies or enforcing some action which prevented them repeating the mistake.



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Posted on Mon, Sep 10, 2007 05:34

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How "interesting"... Where did you get that idea from?
I have had basically the same idea 4 a few years now, except mine would be free-birth control implants, I even have a blog where I speak of this & all the other many ideas, theories and law suggestions I've had over the last 3 years, making them mandatory has also been part of my idea, more like a dream, a little unrealistic so my post on the Internet, only speaks of it being free, because the later seems a bit rash, & stepping over the boundaries of human rights. I've even thought that it could be offered in exchange of free basic medical care like vaccines, and a yearly check up, in developing countries as a way to motivate women to voluntarily adopt this method of contraception. If made mandatory, people might automatically revolt against the idea because of it being forced upon them. So basically making it free, was what I figured was the most the reasonable option.
By the way Veratia, your idea does not quite seem very pro-CHOICE. But go on keep being absurd, it's actually cool in a way, there's supposedly this Art movement/scene right now that's all about being Absurd!
By the way, did U now that the Police can trace IP address' of people who access Internet sites, so I hope for your sake that U didn't get "yours" from my site! Or by any chance, could U be spying on me via telepathy? The clues just keep pilling up, you must really also be part of the Fucked up Doomed "Game" people living in the CIA den bellow my apt...!
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Im pro-choice on abortion,not on women deiciding if they take the pill or not. Its a diferent thing. And,here in Portugal is already free and it doesnt work, it should be mandatory for their own sake but in cases women really wanna get preagnent which would have to be planned and discussed.
Here in Europe, the governments are trying to incentivate preagnancy, they want more children to be born, so...



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Posted on Sun, Sep 09, 2007 19:03

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I am EXTREMELY Pro-Abortion.

First of all, there is mention in the Bible that the soul enters the body with the baby's primal scream, its first cry, breath!


And yes, there is always adoption, but you must have heard about the psychological disturbances that adoptive children have. Always wondering why they were abandoned, why they were not wanted, who their real parents are...






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well thats just one big fucking cop out that baby is in your stomach kicking, moving, breathing what you breathing and eating what you eat just because its not actually out and about doesn't make it souless

and as for adoption im sure itll damage them less when they compare it to their biological parents option of killing it off just because they screwed up



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Posted on Thu, Sep 06, 2007 15:53

Hey Liane!

Veratia - congrats on the long overdue change in law.



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Posted on Thu, Sep 06, 2007 07:25

although Im pro-choice, I think the use of contraceptive pills should be mandatory since the age of a girls 1st period. That would prevent further abortions and unwanted children therefore their abandonment.



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