Rainstorm13 write: OMG... Wight, I love your new pic. Damn. *L* You look Great!
Thank you
This is interesting, since changing my picture I've now had three complements from females, previously I had plenty of complements, but they were all from males :o)
... I might give advice to the mother on what I think she should do, should she ask for it, but I will not make that decision for her.
Be well
Which is the crux of the argument, no person or entity has the right to act as the ultimate moral arbiter on this issue. It entirely a matter of personal liberty since it doesn't directly harm anyone else. If we were discussing the right to murder other members of society at will, I'd argue we should indeed legislate since that would be affecting the liberty of others in the name of the liberty of the murderer. Clearly that is not acceptable in a society, since we need to be able to go about our lives as frely as possible whilst still interacting with each other.
*nods in agreement*
Couldn't agree more, the only time were there is need to legislate is where the liberty of others are affected, not when actions can be reasonably be said to be self-directed.
What a person does to thier own body is thier own concern, not mine. Thus all health and pyschological issues to do with the mother's wellbeing are irrelevent to the illegality of abortion :o)
... I might give advice to the mother on what I think she should do, should she ask for it, but I will not make that decision for her.
Be well
Which is the crux of the argument, no person or entity has the right to act as the ultimate moral arbiter on this issue. It entirely a matter of personal liberty since it doesn't directly harm anyone else. If we were discussing the right to murder other members of society at will, I'd argue we should indeed legislate since that would be affecting the liberty of others in the name of the liberty of the murderer. Clearly that is not acceptable in a society, since we need to be able to go about our lives as frely as possible whilst still interacting with each other.
jadestarr write: true wright but instead of aborting there is the option for those tht believe not to harm an unborn in whtever stage, is adoption as for the morning after pill i wouldn't take it unless i was a victim of a criminal nature(for so many reason).
If you have moral beliefs that extend from the material belief that foetuses have 'personhood' then don't abort, give the child up for adoption instead. I have no problem with that.
The issue is whether your moral beliefs based on the belief that foetuses have personhood should then be forced on everyone else.
I object for two reasons
1) Foetuses do not have personhood, or at least cannot be proven to have it (anymore than animals)
2) Moral beliefs should never be forced on people via the state, the state is there to preserve the liberty of the individual, and to create an ordered society where that liberty can be exercised effectivly, not to be some kind of centralised moral authority.
I am pro-abortion in a moral sense, I don't have any moral objections to abortion, and I think it's best for the health of the mother to abort in many cases (except where the mother holds certain moral beliefs that will make the abortion pyschologically unhealthy, in which case it may be better to not abort)
Politically I am merely pro-choice. The choice of whether or not to abort is that of the mother, if she wishes, she may consult whatever advice she likes, whether that offered by the state, family, friends, religion or God, it bothers me not. I might give advice to the mother on what I think she should do, should she ask for it, but I will not make that decision for her.
jadestarr write: true wright but instead of aborting there is the option for those tht believe not to harm an unborn in whtever stage, is adoption as for the morning after pill i wouldn't take it unless i was a victim of a criminal nature(for so many reason).
Which is fatalism based on the mistaken idea that a foetus is somehow something with rights, etc. Adoption implies giving birth, the whole point of abortion and contraception is to avoid precisely that outcome.
true wright but instead of aborting there is the option for those tht believe not to harm an unborn in whtever stage, is adoption as for the morning after pill i wouldn't take it unless i was a victim of a criminal nature(for so many reason).
As it is, pregancy isn't a very healthy thing to go through,
Spot on Wight84 - I am glad to see that point brought up. BlackLettuce: So I take it from your comments that with the three children you *do* have you contribute half the costs of their schooling, upbringing, food, health care and so forth and if you aren't with their mother that you visit them regularly, spend quality time with them etc?
Hiya pffft, hope you are ok after the nasty car incident.
twilightscomfort write: You just Hit "Quote" under the comment, and it quotes it for you. You can decide how much of it you want to quote etc by deleting the part of the comment that you aren't referring to, etc
testing, testing... thanks twighilightcomfort
jadestarr, why do damage to a womans body if it can be prevented? I fervently second that. Pregnancy has the potential to do vast amounts of damage which is only one of the (more minor) reasons that I dont think it should be forced on people.
jadestarr write: wight, i was speaking to those tht do have this belief! yes i do believe tht every one person has their right to do as thy wish but as you pointed out why do damage to a woman's body if you can prevent it!??
I don't think the damage to a woman's body argument works. As long as the woman is fully aware of the risks of the procedue, and of not taking it, then it's down to her entirely.
As it is, pregancy isn't a very healthy thing to go through, and if we want to talk purely about health risks it's best to have a very early-term abortion, like the morning-after pill for instance, and just get rid of the embyro before it has the chance to cause any damange to the mother.
But then, the more pressing issue is only creating children when it is best to, and if abortion can help undo mistakes then that's great as far as I'm concerned (as I do not consider embyros to have personhood)
wight, i was speaking to those tht do have this belief! yes i do believe tht every one person has their right to do as thy wish but as you pointed out why do damage to a woman's body if you can prevent it!??
rain, i doing awsome wht about you?things are warming up here in wonderful florida!!(job) is nuts might be losing a few peeps!! ne1 looking for a job??!!lol
did i say save the world??? i don't think i did but if thts how i came across tht's not wht i meant at all. even the smallest changes in this world could be fruitful! even if this one person could change these crazy fools tht go and kidnap little kids and kill thm tht would be a plus to this world alone!
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